Posts by William Penwell

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21 Years as an Elder, 5 as an MS, I will never be that guy again.

by James Jack in

i was deleted as the cobe after i let my adult child move back home and he admitted that he fornicated under my roof while my wife and i where away on a rbc project.

of course the elder mode in me kicked him out of the house.. the elders moved quickly to remove me because i was too involved in "theocractic activities", i had neglected my adult son.. i accepted this primarily because i didn't want to serve with a boe that did not want me.

i was devastated however because it was the only life i knew.

William Penwell

Welcome Jack,

It seems like certain elders can get away with something where others cannot. I guess you weren't one of the "good ol boys". My ex father in law was a MS and was deleted as one when his then teenage daughter moved back into their home. She was living with her boy friend I think. Regardless after that my ex mother in law would not go to any more meetings over that and my ex father in law slowly faded out to. So what did the elders accomplish? To this day none of the family is in the religion. The only one is my ex.

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Ex-Christians being angry

by Jonathan Drake in

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friends

i know i'm angry.

i was curious if others are too.

i feel completely justified in my anger as well.

William Penwell

I was angry and/or frustrated because I still believed in their opinions on morality, good, and bad. Christian morality only supports victimhood, self shame, and condemns everything normal for humans. For example, money is bad, sex is bad, self esteem is bad, being a doormat is good, blindly doing what im told is good, being the victim is good, standing up for myself is bad, etc.

My big pet peeve with religion. I once heard it said that religion appeals to your approval seeking self. In the real world to get ahead this does not work whether in business, romance or friendships. People only want a door mate if they want something but someone they can walk over it not attractive. In the end they do not respect you. They look to people that are assertive and know what they want in life. Religion or any cults like a passive person type of person as they can control them. This is something I have being fighting with all my life.

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JWs as described by Cracked

by Vidiot in

http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-religions-youve-got-all-wrong-because-hollywood/.

the article describes four different religions (rastafari, jws, amish, and scientology); jws are #3.. the jw entry is pretty accurate (and as usual, funny), but surprisingly doesn't mention the two-witness-rule-related legal troubles the wt has been having lately.

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William Penwell

I just posted something on their page correcting that error.

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Ex-Christians being angry

by Jonathan Drake in

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friends

i know i'm angry.

i was curious if others are too.

i feel completely justified in my anger as well.

William Penwell

I too at times think about what this religion robbed me off. I feel as a young teen what I could have done if I was allowed to apply myself. Growing up it was never encouraged because the Kingdum work was the most important work. Even though my teens and early twenties was wasted on a deluded dream, I am glad I got out when I did. I cannot change the past but I can look forward to a future where I can still fulfill some of my dreams without a cult telling me its wrong. I once heard it said that the biggest tragedy in life is looking back and realizing there were things you would have like to do but never did it. Like I said the only thing I can do now is look ahead and not behind.

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It's time to say goodbye to JWD - I sold it !

by Simon in

a week or so ago i posted that the forum was 15 years old (15 years of jehovahs-witness.com) and hinted that there may be some news to announce about the site:.

i also may have some other news to share soon about the future of the site so stay posted.

well, now i can announce it - i sold it !.

William Penwell

You had me for a few seconds until I remembered it was April fools day. Good one.

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Does anybody know what the "special broadcast" to all the Kingdom Halls (canada) is about on march 22?

by hoser in

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heard about it today just not sure if i should go

William Penwell

You know whatever it is you will hear it here first.

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How, exactly, does Watchtower's literature publishing bring them money?

by Island Man in

i've heard is said many times that watchtower is a publishing company bringing in money from the proliferation of its literature.

how exactly does this process work?

i know that jws are encouraged to tell the householders of the donation arrangement to support the worldwide work.

William Penwell

It is very inefficient as the number of magazines they print every year verses.the number of people converted into the organization.For every person baptized and not counting those that were raised in the religion, it must take a million magazines to bring in one convert.

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Watchtower Lawyers -- How many?

by VM44 in

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this has been brought up before, but i am going to ask it again....just how many lawyers does the watchtower have?

how many have they sent to law school?

and, why do they need so many lawyers?

William Penwell

I mentioned this on here before but this was one of the finale straws for me when I started to fade. Growing up we were told not to go and get higher education, so because of a lack of education I was stuck doing a menial crappy job. Then I heard about a friend of the family that was at bethel being put through law school. I recall making a comment to my ex about how the society says one thing but does another thing when it benefits them.

Oh and to add our contribution went toward paying to put this guy through law school.

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Happy @ Kingdom Hall

by Newly Enlightened in

http://youtu.be/nzm4l-bsegy.

William Penwell

I can't believe what I am seeing those good dubs dancing to Satans music. Fred Franz is rolling in his grave.

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Local needs talk

by hoser in

one of the elders was missing his service bag and suspected that one of the publishers stole it.

he was determined to root out who did it so he decided to give a local needs part on the ten commandments focusing on you must not steal.. he enlisted the help of a trusted ministerial servant and got him to stand at the back of the kingdom hall during the part.

he told the ms that he would read off the ten commandments and when he got to the one "you must not steal" he would pause longer than usual and see if anyone acted nervous or suspicious.

William Penwell

Right after months of this nonsense, my friend who was the "collector" called Bethel, showed the C.O. the physical contract and this brother began to pay $300 a month. Elder rip-off clown shortly went on a European Cruise with his wife (cost $13,000 PP) for thirty days around the Adriatic Sea, when questioned by my friend said "You only have a 40th anniversity once!" Relevance there? You see how corrupt the JW Elders can be when they do not want to pay back what they owe?

Yeah these types seem to have money to spend but not pay back their debts. What a loser. Remind me of a "worldly" person that did work for a good dub. After this dub couldn't pay back his debt he felt that "worldly" guy should just forgive and forget.